If you had a Springtac holster you could adjust it to fit the Glock 30S and attach a laser sight
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Summary: Walt Rauch’s review, photos and rating of the Glock 30S pistol, plus user ratings, user comments, specs and a range report. (Click here to see all of Rauch’s handgun reviews.)
The author’s Glock 30S from the left.
The author’s Glock 30S from the right.
The .45 ACP-chambered Glock 30S (i.e., 30 Slim) is a variation of the Glock 30SF (i.e., 30 Short Frame). The only external difference between the two is the thinnerGlock 36 slide replacing the 30SF slide.
Some quick history: The 10-round .45 ACPGlock 30 was introduced in 1997 as the compact version of the 13-round full-sizedGlock 21. It has evolved over time to into the 30SF, and now there’s a new variant—the 30S.
The 30 was and still is a squat, bulky, compact handgun whose virtues are first and foremost that it’s a Glock, with all the attendant pluses and minuses of Glocks. The Short Frame designation of the 30SF indicates its grip has been reduced to create a shorter trigger reach to help those with short fingers or small hands grip the pistol and better manipulate its trigger.
The why and how of the 30S’ creation begins with the Special Investigations Section (SIS) of the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD). The SIS wanted a more concealable version of the 30SF due to the particular nature of its assignment within the LAPD. The SIS is charged with arresting and aiding in the conviction of violent, repeat-offender crime gangs. The SIS most often arrests these offenders during the commission of the actual crime, extensively using well-armed plainclothes officers. These long-term recidivists are also well (and often heavily) armed, and they use these weapons during the offense and in resistance to any arrest.
Note the backstrap reduction between the 30S (rear) and the 30 (front).
So, SIS officers do need to be well armed, but remain unnoticed by criminals who are no strangers to surveillance and spotting lawmen. A robust, concealable, large-caliber handgun makes sense. The 30SF is good, and now with the 36 slide, the 30S is ever so much more concealable.
I obtained a 30S, and my review follows.
Comparisons Exactly what all did Glock change to make the 30S? An industry source told me there were about five parts changed, but wouldn’t give me specifics.
I couldn’t make any hands-on comparisons between the 30SF and the 30S because I don’t have a 30SF. I did note the 30S uses the Gen4 dual-captive recoil spring assembly.
I do have a Glock 30 (purchased in 1997) to compare to the 30S. You can easily see the frame shortening on the 30S by comparing the sizes of the opening to the rear of each gun’s magazine wells (see photo). Using a cloth tape measure, I measured the grips of the 30S and an 30 from slightly below their trigger guard on a direct line around their backstraps with these results:
Glock 30 grip: 6.125″
Glock 30S grip: 6.0″
I also measured the 30 and 30S slide heights, widths and weights with these results:
Glock 30: 2.38″
Glock 30S: 2.17″
Glock 30: 1.04″
Glock 30S: 1.0″
The 30 slide (left) and 30S slide (right).
Note the new dog-leg ejector in the 30S (right) compared to the 30 (left).
Glock 30: 19.5 oz.
Glock 30S: 16 oz.
Their frame weights were identical at 20 oz. I also switched their slides and was able to dry fire both pistols. I passed on live fire, not wanting to damage the guns (as well as myself!). Finally, please note: Glock does not sell slides separately.
More Details Just like the 30SF, the 30S features a picatinny-dimensioned rail on it’s dust cover on which I was able to install an ITI M2X light. Its barrel measures 3.78″ long, and it features an ambidextrous magazine catch. (Instructions on how to reverse the catch are in the owner’s manual.) Three magazines, a magazine loader and a nylon brush and polymer cleaning rod also came in the package.
The 30S magazine holds 10 rounds, with cartridge witness windows numbered 4–10 on its rear face. The magazine includes a smooth-faced and removable base plate, which is enlarged to extend below the grip to serve as a grip extension. The extension allowed me to take a good three-finger grip on the pistol.
Note: A 30S magazine will not lock into frames that lack the 30S catch because the catch has a metal portion that locks into a matching relief area where the magazine’s metal liner is exposed. Earlier magazines lack the cut. The reverse, though, is possible, and you can use non-ambidextrous magazines in the 30S.
The 30S magazine (foreground) includes an exposed metal notch for retention.
The 30S frame continues the Glock tradition of including finger grooves on the front strap that, along with the backstrap, features Glock’s most current molded checkering. The grip’s sides are closely pebbled, and two shallow depressions on either side at the top of the frame serve as finger or thumb rests. There are six grasping grooves at the slide’s rear.
Standard Glock white-dot front and white-outline rear sights came on my 30S. (Glock offers Trijicon night sights as an option.) To adjust for windage, move the rear sight in its transverse notch in the slide.
The 30S trigger arrived with the standard 5.5-lb. connector installed. As usual, however, when I measured the trigger pull using a Chatillon scale, the weight came in higher: 6 lbs., 7 oz.
Range Report I was fortunate to have the aid of my friend Ted Murphy to help with the evaluation and shooting at the range. I brought my original Glock 30 for comparison.
We shot 230-grain JRN CorBon Performance Match and 200-grain JHP Black Hills (remanufactured) ammo, with Murphy suppling some Federal Low-Velocity 165-grain Hydra-Shok ammo.
Both of us found a not-inconsequential difference in felt recoil between the two pistols. My notes from the day: “The 30S … is unpleasant to shoot by comparison to the model 30.” Murphy commented that shooting the 30S felt as if were a pocket gun, while shooting the 30 felt quite similar to shooting his full-sized Glock 21SF. He explained that “pocket pistol” was his short-hand for the felt recoil he experienced with numerous polymer and steel subcompact 9mm pistols.
During this outing, Murphy once again shot the best groups of five shots each at 15 yards: 2.0″, 1.75″ and 1.50″. I started off poorly and never caught up, with my best group measuring just 3.25″ across.
Ted Murphy sends rounds downrange with the 30S.
I also shot the 30S over a Crony Master chronograph (at 300 feet above sea level with an ambient temperature of 61 degrees F). The five-shot averages:
Black Hills 200-grain JHP (remanufactured): 871 fps
CorBon 230‑grain Performance Match JRN: 762 fps
Federal Personal Defense Low-Recoil 165‑grain Hydra-Shok: 1,031 fps
We agreed the SF grip on the 30S feels much better than the older 30 grip, and that it should offer better concealment. Lacking a proper holster, I did a quick and dirty evaluation by wearing each gun around the house with the gun tucked into my belt. The 30S felt better and more comfortable. I draped a denim shirt over the setup and didn’t see much, if any, difference in concealment but, given the nature of law enforcement surveillance dress and body locations, any reduction in size is a plus.
Final Thoughts When considering the new Glock 30S and my original Glock 30, and the purpose for which they were created—i.e., concealed carry—I’d go with the 30S. But I’d make sure I used the softest shooting ammo I could find for any extended practice. If my concealment needs were not so demanding, I’d stick with my original 30.
Bottom line? Both of these Glocks are good for concealed carry and personal defense.
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Summary: The description, specs, pricing, photo and user ratings for SIG Sauer’s P227 Carry pistol.
The SIG Sauer P227 Carry is a semiauto pistol built on an alloy frame and chambered in .45 ACP. This double-action/single-action pistol features a double-stack magazine design, allowing it to carry 10+1 rounds. Thus SIG has combined the power of the .45 ACP-chambered P220 with the capacity of its P226, all while maintaining a non-huge, ergonomic grip.
Other features include:
The P227 Carry from the left.
- An accessory rail;
- a one-piece polymer grip;
- a black, hard anodized finish on the frame;
- a black nitron finish on the slide;
- SIGLITE night sights;
- SIG’s short reset trigger; and
- an optional 14-round extended magazine.
Note: This pistol is not California or Massachusetts compliant.
|.45 ACP||10+1||3.9″||7.1″||1.5″||5.5″||30.5 oz. w/mag|
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We have been at this long enough now to know a thing or two about holsters. After three years on the market, a US patient, many, many reviews, and constant field testing by a team of hard working unpaid individuals across the country. Our original design remains unchanged, we did this with purpose, constant change leads to constant confusion. As such we have learned what will and will not work in a Springtac Holster laser sight holster. At date we host about a 2% return ratio, not bad by anyone’s standards. We’ll accept that, however we endeavor to improve the number. How? By flat out telling you it won’t work. That’s right we are going to list and continually update the stuff that we have had a problem with and why. Latest review by B Gil Horman, American Rifleman
First, let’s revisit the reason we created Springtac Holsters in the first place. Simply put, but not simply achieved at the time, we wanted to conceal carry a Springfield XDM compact with a Crimson trace LG 448 laser sight. At the time that wasn’t going to happen. Much has not changed in that area still. With the exception of Springtac Holsters, sales would tend to support that.
We also worked for a living, got paid half of what we were worth, and had to watch our money. Like everyone else, our wives had to have 87 pairs of shoes but we were expected to live with one gun. Trust us when we say it’s better to keep her happy. Paying over one hundred dollars for a good holster was acceptable, just not for every single gun you own, oh and remember if you wanted to use a sight or light you were just flat out screwed.
So mission one was also mission two. Accept a tac rail accessory, and fit a couple of different guns.
What we discovered. While there are hundreds of semi auto weapons, the only possible constant was the width of the slide. We discovered half a dozen or so slide widths. Everything else was different grips, grip widths depth, length, height, barrel length, and on and on. Revolvers? forget it. Like finger prints, and while I love a good wheel gun the sales today are in semi autos. Accept it and move on.
We had to cull the catch. Let’s remember the idea here is to carry a laser sighted weapon concealed. A concealed carry weapon had to make sense. Mac 10,s while a fun gun is not in our opinion a concealable weapon as such discarded. Desert eagle, love em, discarded. Uzi, discarded. Once we culled the catch we were left with about three slide widths. That we can do.
Service style. AKA cop guns. High capacity magazines, proven knockdown power, reliable. Calibers include 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 357 Sig, 9mm. Top of the list? Glock. Springfield XDM, Sig Sauer, Taurus, and on. Even the historic 1911 can be included into this group. Slide widths range from 7/8″ for many or the 1911′s up to 1 1/4″ for Sig’s. Barrel lengths are often from a scant 3″ up to 5 1/2″ Many sport tac rails, some do not but can be outfitted with trigger guard accessories.
Now for a BOLD statement. We have yet to find a weapon in the service style category that would not fit into a Springtac holster three or five inch because of its inherent flexibility. None, nada, nothing. So where could the two percent return come from?
So here we are, we will end this post with our first shit fit listing. this list is compiled from complaints from our customers, and updated as we se fit. The problems they were having went away when they dumped the shit fit accessory and bought a better thought out product. Lets point out here that all Springtac Holsters are totally hand made so there may be some variations in the holster themselves. So rather than blame the fault of the world on a product we show a split ratio. For example of the known sales of XYZ accessory, this percentage didn’t work i.e. 60/40.
Numbers mean sales percentage to problems (some resulting in returns). For example if we sold 10 holsters to customers with a certain accessory and 3 resulted in a problem that number would be 70/30 Meaning 70 percent of those sales had no problem, 30 percent required special attention even resulting in a return.
NcStar’s AQPTFLG 70/30 Two issues keep coming up with this product.
1. The activation switch (Big one way switch resulting in unintentional laser activation. It has sharp edges that catch, snag, and sometimes cut the leather).
2. The quick release function. (extends to far and is usually wider that the weapons slide. It also has sharp edges that catch, snag, and sometimes cut the leather)
These flaws are only what our buyers have reported, we have no information as to how well the actual product works.
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Look, don’t get me wrong here. It is not me calling the shots, it’s you guys. I’m just the reporting what your telling me and I thank you for that. I do not have any problem with NcStar. We have bought their products, used them for testing, and got exactly what we expected for what we paid for. However, the real world is often different than the lab. We do not do our real world testing with fifty dollar laser sights, tac lights or any other product that is a price point item. We don’t shoot price point bullets, we don’t carry price point guns, we don’t use price point holsters,(Yes we do buy competitors’ products for field use.) hell we don’t even use price point targets. If you’re a price point person you will not get a lot of help here, move on.
AQPFLS (Laser Flashlight Combo)
Our ranking a paltry 50/50 That means of the people who bought our holster 50% had issues. Some of those issues resulted in returns and tragically a few of those returns were sent back to the customer as the holster was so damaged we couldn’t fix them well enough to resell them. Sorry guys but our holsters do not preform magic. They are designed to conceal carry common sense weapons with sights or lights. Let’s be smart about this.
The problem, as before, sharp edges, specifically the quick release lever, and boxy hard corners on the main housing. The product worked fine for us with the exceptions as noted. One would think that this product was intended to be used on the Picatinny rail of an AR platform where holstering wasn’t a concern.
We would rather you didn’t buy a Springtac Holster, damage it trying to put some dumb shit into it, then send it back claiming it doesn’t work. It does work, as it has worked for countless people who buy our products repeatedly, and refer us to their friends.
As always your comments are welcomed and encouraged.
Today we discuss another problem area in holstering a laser sighted weapon. This is a big one as it runs 50/50. That means that half of the people to use this product had fit problems that did not exist when they used a weapon that did not have this accessory. Who’s the culprit? After market Picatinny rails.
We have looked at a few of them and they just don’t work well for us. I personally had a Kimber Carry Pro, wanted to attach a sight so I looked at a company that offered a trigger guard mounted tac rail. The fit was poor, marred the trigger guard, didn’t hold the laser securely, and dropped the laser well below the trigger guard which made it bulky and hard to get to.
Seems like the user installed mounts are the bigger evil as the ones that are gun smith installed are less likely to allow movement and require less material which keep it streamlined. Our customers tend to agree and have had the same experiences.
The solution appears to be having a good tac rail mounted by a competent gunsmith or use a laser grip much like the ones offered by Crimson Trace, or even the rear sight style by Laser light. Crimson Trace also markets a trigger guard mounted laser for the 1911 crowd which was a big factor in this area.
We do have a Springtac Holster for top mounted sights.
As always we look forward to hearing about your experiences. Contributing gets your name into a drawing and you could receive one of our products free.
You hear it right. The big CT takes a pie in the eye over their Railmaster. Why, the activation switch appears to be poorly thought out based on our customer feedback. Clearly CT never thought they would have to worry about putting their laser sight into a holster. We are going to call this one a 60/40 meaning of the holsters we sold to Railmaster users 60% had no problems while 40 percent had activation concerns. Generally Crimson Trace products are top of the line. This was their first rail mounted unit designed to be used on a lot of guns instead of the more weapon specific units they are known for.
That’s right, the big CT made the shit fit list. Check back monday to see why.